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		<title>By: When doctors shill for pharmas what a PR person to do The &#124; Uniform Stores</title>
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		<dc:creator>When doctors shill for pharmas what a PR person to do The &#124; Uniform Stores</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When doctors shill for pharmas what a PR person to do The   Posted by root 27 minutes ago (http://publicityhound.net)        Reply to this comment comment by victoria rierdan hurley given that there are now schools that teach ethics 101 along with their regular of behavior is simply not tolerated in either pharmacy ce nursing or medical ce gnu stuff powered by wordpress neuron        Discuss&#160;  &#124;&#160; Bury &#124;&#160;    News &#124; When doctors shill for pharmas what a PR person to do The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] When doctors shill for pharmas what a PR person to do The   Posted by root 27 minutes ago (<a href="http://publicityhound.net" rel="nofollow">http://publicityhound.net</a>)        Reply to this comment comment by victoria rierdan hurley given that there are now schools that teach ethics 101 along with their regular of behavior is simply not tolerated in either pharmacy ce nursing or medical ce gnu stuff powered by wordpress neuron        Discuss&nbsp;  |&nbsp; Bury |&nbsp;    News | When doctors shill for pharmas what a PR person to do The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patti Biro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patti Biro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming from the continuing professional education side-this kind of behavior is simply not tolerated in either pharmacy CE, nursing or medical CE.  Full disclosure not only has to be provided to participants before the event- even in an on line course-and the CE provider has the added responsibility of resolving any conflicts of interest before the program is released-and documenting the actions taken...an interesting dilemma!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming from the continuing professional education side-this kind of behavior is simply not tolerated in either pharmacy CE, nursing or medical CE.  Full disclosure not only has to be provided to participants before the event- even in an on line course-and the CE provider has the added responsibility of resolving any conflicts of interest before the program is released-and documenting the actions taken&#8230;an interesting dilemma!</p>
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		<title>By: Principled Profit &#187; What do Doctors Shilling for Drug Cos Have to do with Volvo?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Principled Profit &#187; What do Doctors Shilling for Drug Cos Have to do with Volvo?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Very interesting discussion about the ethics of disclosure over at Joan Stewart&#8217;s Publicity Hound blog. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shel Horowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shel Horowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...it improves public perception as well as helps create a client where this kind of behavior is not tolerated.&quot;

Ooops--that was supposed to be &quot;climate,&quot; not &quot;client.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;it improves public perception as well as helps create a client where this kind of behavior is not tolerated.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ooops&#8211;that was supposed to be &#8220;climate,&#8221; not &#8220;client.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shel Horowitz</title>
		<link>http://publicityhound.net/when-doctors-shill-for-pharmas-whats-a-pr-person-to-do/comment-page-1/#comment-264745</link>
		<dc:creator>Shel Horowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Leigh Ann that this relationship *must* be disclosed to the journalist, who can then factor this in while creating the story. Sometimes, s/he may find there&#039;s truth to the claim and can find independent verification not only the payroll and not just quoting the press releases.

L.M. Steen&#039;s example of the &quot;boxy but safe Volvo&quot; caught my attention--because I have wondered for several years why Volvo allowed itself to be purchased by Ford--a company that has given the public ample reasons *not* to trust it on safety (two examples: Pintos that explode, Explorers that roll over). Considering that safety was the main brand attribute that Volvo stressed for decades, I think the only reason there hasn&#039;t been a huge backlash is that Ford is very quiet about its ownership.

Of course, there are honest ways to do business, and they actually work better. In my award-winning sixth book, Principled Profit: Marketing That Puts People First, I show why honesty and integrity are cornerstones of business success. And in the Business Ethics Pledge (linked from my name, above), which Joan has mentioned in Publicity Hound, I encourage businesses to declare their values publicly, recognizing that it improves public perception as well as helps create a client where this kind of behavior is not tolerated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Leigh Ann that this relationship *must* be disclosed to the journalist, who can then factor this in while creating the story. Sometimes, s/he may find there&#8217;s truth to the claim and can find independent verification not only the payroll and not just quoting the press releases.</p>
<p>L.M. Steen&#8217;s example of the &#8220;boxy but safe Volvo&#8221; caught my attention&#8211;because I have wondered for several years why Volvo allowed itself to be purchased by Ford&#8211;a company that has given the public ample reasons *not* to trust it on safety (two examples: Pintos that explode, Explorers that roll over). Considering that safety was the main brand attribute that Volvo stressed for decades, I think the only reason there hasn&#8217;t been a huge backlash is that Ford is very quiet about its ownership.</p>
<p>Of course, there are honest ways to do business, and they actually work better. In my award-winning sixth book, Principled Profit: Marketing That Puts People First, I show why honesty and integrity are cornerstones of business success. And in the Business Ethics Pledge (linked from my name, above), which Joan has mentioned in Publicity Hound, I encourage businesses to declare their values publicly, recognizing that it improves public perception as well as helps create a client where this kind of behavior is not tolerated.</p>
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		<title>By: L.M. Steen</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.M. Steen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that there are now schools that teach Ethics 101 along with their regular courses (even law schools), perhaps many PR personnel don&#039;t know. Sad, isn&#039;t it. PR is about trusting someone&#039;s word, their reputation. That is the point of Public Relations!

Unfortunately, the ethical lines have become obscured. How we deal with that is up to each PR person and what they&#039;ll tolerate while trying to do their own job. 

However, I always wonder, as Leigh Ann does, how is it that a person could be in the business of representing someone or an ideal to the general public yet not know the rules? Perhaps something for Plato to muse. Misleading others is basically lying and is as old as Time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that there are now schools that teach Ethics 101 along with their regular courses (even law schools), perhaps many PR personnel don&#8217;t know. Sad, isn&#8217;t it. PR is about trusting someone&#8217;s word, their reputation. That is the point of Public Relations!</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the ethical lines have become obscured. How we deal with that is up to each PR person and what they&#8217;ll tolerate while trying to do their own job. </p>
<p>However, I always wonder, as Leigh Ann does, how is it that a person could be in the business of representing someone or an ideal to the general public yet not know the rules? Perhaps something for Plato to muse. Misleading others is basically lying and is as old as Time.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Swisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Swisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think some publicists indeed may NOT know. It&#039;s similar to debate over the commercials by an inventor of an artificial heart about a cholesterol-lowering drug. Those commercials aren&#039;t running now. If I were a publicist, I&#039;d mention that the specialist was paid for his/her opinion. Then the onus is on the entity using the PR material. Even in the celebrity papers, you see a disclaimer of sorts: &quot;Jane Doe looks like she&#039;s had Botox,&quot; says XXX M.D., a plastic surgeon who has not treated Jane Doe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some publicists indeed may NOT know. It&#8217;s similar to debate over the commercials by an inventor of an artificial heart about a cholesterol-lowering drug. Those commercials aren&#8217;t running now. If I were a publicist, I&#8217;d mention that the specialist was paid for his/her opinion. Then the onus is on the entity using the PR material. Even in the celebrity papers, you see a disclaimer of sorts: &#8220;Jane Doe looks like she&#8217;s had Botox,&#8221; says XXX M.D., a plastic surgeon who has not treated Jane Doe.</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leigh Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for publishing this, Joan, and thank you to the readers who have responded. I&#039;m very interested to see what the publicity world at large thinks of this issue.

And you guys are right; so many product have doctors promoting them, and many studies are sponsored by companies that benefit from positive outcomes. I actually don&#039;t have a problem with either, from a strictly journalist point of view, as long as it&#039;s crystal clear what&#039;s going on. If a press release quotes a doctor, the bias is clear, and medical journals print conflicts of interest. In both cases, I have the power to choose not to print or at least divulge the conflict of interest -- because it&#039;s been divulged to me.

My beef is with submitting a quoted opinion to me, in which the doctor casually mentions a brand name, but which never mentions the conflict of interest. For example, sometimes I ask for tips from doctors. I love telling our readers the brand names unbiased doctors recommend! But I was surprised that this publicist claimed ignorance about the fact that conflicts of interest are absolutely unacceptable.

Do you guys really think this is something publicists don&#039;t know?

Thanks again,

Leigh Ann Hubbard
Managing Editor
James Hubbard&#039;s My Family Doctor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for publishing this, Joan, and thank you to the readers who have responded. I&#8217;m very interested to see what the publicity world at large thinks of this issue.</p>
<p>And you guys are right; so many product have doctors promoting them, and many studies are sponsored by companies that benefit from positive outcomes. I actually don&#8217;t have a problem with either, from a strictly journalist point of view, as long as it&#8217;s crystal clear what&#8217;s going on. If a press release quotes a doctor, the bias is clear, and medical journals print conflicts of interest. In both cases, I have the power to choose not to print or at least divulge the conflict of interest &#8212; because it&#8217;s been divulged to me.</p>
<p>My beef is with submitting a quoted opinion to me, in which the doctor casually mentions a brand name, but which never mentions the conflict of interest. For example, sometimes I ask for tips from doctors. I love telling our readers the brand names unbiased doctors recommend! But I was surprised that this publicist claimed ignorance about the fact that conflicts of interest are absolutely unacceptable.</p>
<p>Do you guys really think this is something publicists don&#8217;t know?</p>
<p>Thanks again,</p>
<p>Leigh Ann Hubbard<br />
Managing Editor<br />
James Hubbard&#8217;s My Family Doctor</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria Rierdan Hurley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria Rierdan Hurley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a professional PR person, I can say that if you don&#039;t know that there is a conflict of interest in this situation, you should not be  PR person.  This is pretty much PR 101, just as not accepting clients in competing businesses is a conflict.  

I&#039;m sure that the PR person in question just wanted to get her client some ink.  And frankly, a lot of reporters just want a quote.  Most do not have the time to do the research and it would be my guess that people get away with this type of thing more than we realize.  

However, in my opinion, the onus of responsibility lies with the PR person to always conduct business on behalf of the client in the most ethical manner possible. If there is any question at all, a good rule of thumb is to let the opportunity go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a professional PR person, I can say that if you don&#8217;t know that there is a conflict of interest in this situation, you should not be  PR person.  This is pretty much PR 101, just as not accepting clients in competing businesses is a conflict.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that the PR person in question just wanted to get her client some ink.  And frankly, a lot of reporters just want a quote.  Most do not have the time to do the research and it would be my guess that people get away with this type of thing more than we realize.  </p>
<p>However, in my opinion, the onus of responsibility lies with the PR person to always conduct business on behalf of the client in the most ethical manner possible. If there is any question at all, a good rule of thumb is to let the opportunity go.</p>
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		<title>By: L.M. Steen</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.M. Steen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, it has become common practice for physicians to &quot;shill&quot; for the drug companies. The American Dairy Association fostered its own research on the value of daily milk intake. Guess what? The PR says you need milk. Which, you don&#039;t. You need the additives! 

The lines between ethical and common practice have blurred just as they have in politics. And, in the area of publicity. Perhaps, most turn a blind eye to have jobs.

I agree with Leigh Ann that it isn&#039;t acceptable. If PR has become confused with ethical issues, find someone else. IF that&#039;s possible. Reminds me of a movie many years back with Dustin Hoffman playing a crazed PR man who was sick of lying and sold &quot;Boxy but Safe&quot; Volvos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, it has become common practice for physicians to &#8220;shill&#8221; for the drug companies. The American Dairy Association fostered its own research on the value of daily milk intake. Guess what? The PR says you need milk. Which, you don&#8217;t. You need the additives! </p>
<p>The lines between ethical and common practice have blurred just as they have in politics. And, in the area of publicity. Perhaps, most turn a blind eye to have jobs.</p>
<p>I agree with Leigh Ann that it isn&#8217;t acceptable. If PR has become confused with ethical issues, find someone else. IF that&#8217;s possible. Reminds me of a movie many years back with Dustin Hoffman playing a crazed PR man who was sick of lying and sold &#8220;Boxy but Safe&#8221; Volvos.</p>
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